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  Found a Porn Mag at work tonight

  by Darth plaugeis in

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  and i laughed and laughed..... why would anyone need to buy porn in 2011??.

  i laughed my balls off............of course i kept it...i didn't buy it.. and the wife wondered the same thing.. i thought print was dead!.

  isn't there enough free porn on the internet????.

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  Bungi Bill

  Careful, fella:

  - looking at that stuff will make you go blind!

  (says me, while wearing my prescription lenses)

  Bill.
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  I need a show of hands: who believes the Bible and to what extent?

  by Terry in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  i'll start off.. i don't believe anything is divine about bible writings.

  i believe there may be some marginal history although not much.

  i think alot of folk tales and regional myths are contained in the old testament.

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  It depends on what is meant by the word "believe."

  If to believe in the bible means to accept it as a history (but not the only history) of the Hebrew people, and their attempt to explain the world around them, then I can accept that. But that is all!

  - As for it being an accurate historical record: not unless it is confirmed by other sources.

  - As for it being a moral code: the "Eye for an Eye" talk (and other revolting practices) of the Old Testament fail badly.

  - As for it being an accurate scientific record: the bible is not even close.

  - And as for it being a collection of writings that are inspired by some divine being: no bloody way! (Not one I would want to worship, anyway).

  Bill.
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  In 25 Years Will The WT.Organization Still Be Around?

  by minimus in

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  2. friends

  i think so.

  and i doubt it'll grow much, if at all, but i think it will still be around.. what do you think?.

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  As a general rule of thumb, it would seem that the more unpleasant something is, the less likely it is to disappear:

  - just like the rats and cockroaches that survive a nuclear explosion, when everything else has been exterminated.

  Unfortunately, there is a certain percentage of the population that automatically gravitates towards the cults. As long as that minority is around for them to draw on, the likes of the JWs will remain.

  Their membership may well turn over:

  - that certainly happened in the wake of past upheavals

  eg. The death of CT Russell, and JF Rutherford's seizure of power. Then, the failure of prophecy in 1925 , and the subsequent loss of 75% of their membership. Not to mention failure of prophecy regarding 1975, and the upheaval that followed! Also, more recently, the revision(s) of "The Generation" thing.

  Membership comes, membership goes - but the WTS always manages a Houdini act each time, and seems to somehow escape.

  Then, like that proverbial old penny, "keeps turning up."

  Bill.
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  Elder said people "rarely" die from refusing a blood transfusion

  by InterestedOne in

  1. watchtower
  2. medical

  i sat in on the "know your options" reading tonight, and the elder said a couple things i was wondering about:.

  1. he said if a doctor says you have a high risk of dying if you refuse a blood transfusion, he is misleading you.

  he said people "rarely" die from refusing a blood transfusion.

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  During my time with the JWs, I can recall a general attitude amongst them whereby a lot of non-medical people (and generally,poorly educated ones as well) thought they knew more about medicine than any doctor did.

  Did anyone else notice this?

  Throughout its history, the Watchtower Society has regularly denigrated medical science:

  - in Joseph Rutherford's time, they were dead set against vaccinations.

  He is on record as being of the opinion that the "increase in sexual immorality" was due to these filthy particules being let loose in a person's bloodstream. Furthermore, that attitude continued on for many decades after his death. I personally knew more than a few in the congregations who refused to allow their children to be immunised. (I was assured by one brother that the risks of contracting tetanus from the vaccine were greater than the risks of catching the disease if you weren't immunised!)

  Also during Rutherford's time the WTS endorsed a number of what could only be described as "Quack's Cures." One was some sort of radio transmitter that you grabbed by two handles, and had a radio frequency electric current fed through your body - said to be extemely beneficial by its inventor, and recommended by The Editor of the Awake magazine. Sunbathing was also recommended - i.e. giving your skin a good, healthy dose of Ultra Violet radiation (the ideal time for sunbathing was said to be while the UV rays were at their maximum - best time to get skin cancer!). Another highly recommended, WTS endorsed medical therapy of those years was to regularly reverse-flush yourself with the garden hose.

  Then there was the Dr. Linus Pauling thing of 1971.

  He claimed, and the WTS reported it, that daily mega-doses of Vitamin C would prevent a person from ever catching the common cold. Because this was reported in that scientific journal, Awake, many in the congregations interpreted it that the "Society" endorsed these claims about Vitamin C. (As it turned out, Linus Pauling may have been a Nobel Prize winner, but he was off the mark with his claims about this particular vitamin).

  The Watchtower Society's continual bashing of Higher Education makes it easier to slip such nonsense in - including the those remarks about blood transfusion mortality (as quoted in the title of this thread):

  - after all, it has been well established that reading of the Watchtower and Awake magazines gives one at least the equivalent of a medical degree!

  Bill.
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  Elder said people "rarely" die from refusing a blood transfusion

  by InterestedOne in

  1. watchtower
  2. medical

  i sat in on the "know your options" reading tonight, and the elder said a couple things i was wondering about:.

  1. he said if a doctor says you have a high risk of dying if you refuse a blood transfusion, he is misleading you.

  he said people "rarely" die from refusing a blood transfusion.

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  Bungi Bill

  He would be making claim No.1 without any statistical evidence to back it up;

  - just repeating the WTS official line about his matter.

  I read everything that they printed / listened to everything that they uttered for 28 years, and never once saw any creditable statistics presented to back up that statement.

  Maintaining that a blood transfusion is "unlikely to save your life" is just one more example of a long line of JW psuedo-science.

  Bill.
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  JWs and Education

  by Liberty93 in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  so this isn't one of the normal zomg teh witnesses h8 educashun!!!

  !1 threads, because we all know that -.

  rather, i'd just like to note that i was reading about paul today, and remembered that not only did he have an extremely good education for his time and speak, write, and read multiple languages, he was also aware of, and educated about, all of those horrible, worldly, ungodly philosophies that the jws are so scared of.. of course, when they're harping on the "you don't need college" bs, they never note that or take the more plausible line that education would help people defend their faith rationally (because it's not about beliefs anymore) because they know that taking an introductory logic course and two semesters of world history would sink any and all belief in what they say.... just a few thoughts..

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  How recent are "recent times"?

  - I can recall 40 years ago the complaint being voiced that graduate engineers had little understanding about how their education related to the real world.

  There is only one way to learn a practical skill - and that is by getting your hands dirty!

  (Like mine are today, after finishing a shift working on the #*%*ing bloody control system of No.3 Boiler)

  Bill.
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  JWs and Education

  by Liberty93 in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  so this isn't one of the normal zomg teh witnesses h8 educashun!!!

  !1 threads, because we all know that -.

  rather, i'd just like to note that i was reading about paul today, and remembered that not only did he have an extremely good education for his time and speak, write, and read multiple languages, he was also aware of, and educated about, all of those horrible, worldly, ungodly philosophies that the jws are so scared of.. of course, when they're harping on the "you don't need college" bs, they never note that or take the more plausible line that education would help people defend their faith rationally (because it's not about beliefs anymore) because they know that taking an introductory logic course and two semesters of world history would sink any and all belief in what they say.... just a few thoughts..

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  I seem to remember it being explained how Paul had learnt the tent making trade, in addition to receiving his (what was for for those times) excellent academic education.

  Apparently, the Jewish sect of the Pharisees made a particular point that all their young people learned a practical skill;

  - this, in addition to their intensive academic training.

  In other words, their education was well balanced.

  That contrasts with the often overly-academic education provided today.

  As an example, graduate engineers come out of university full of theory; but unable to even hold a screwdriver straight:

  - yet they are telling the likes of me what to do!

  DESIGN ENGINEER'S KEY PERFORMANCE INDICATORS (KPIs)

  1) To make things very difficult for the builder (20%)

  2) To make things totally impossible for the service technician (80%)

  (Spoken by a service technician, who would have liked to have done the degree course in engineering, but was stopped by you know who!)

  At least Saul of Tarsus (and those like him) did not have that problem - they would have at least known how their academic learning related to the real world.

  Bill.
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  Witness came to my house

  by d in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  the witness came to my house on jan 8 2011 it was completely unannounced.i just wush they would leave us alone.

  by the way happy new year everyone i hope you had a goof christmas..

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  It should not be hard to get rid of them. Most JWs these days appear to be just going through the motions of doing the door to door work - their heart certainly does not seem to be in what they are doing anymore.

  All the ones that have called at my house in recent years were only too happy to have an excuse to beat a hasty retreat:

  - I think that even giving them a sideways look is enough to give them that excuse!

  Bill.
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  1975, Freddie Franz and Eve's Menstrual Cycle

  by Band on the Run in

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  2. friends

  i was active back then and terrorized by armageddon.

  my basic temperament is introspective.

  i never felt worthy enough.

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  It gets worse and worse, doesn't it?

  - Eve's menstrual cycle.

  - Train timetables between Pittsburg and New York.

  - Russell's calculations, based on the dimensions of the Pyramid of Gizeh.(When events did not quite work out to plan, he had to re-calculate things From that, he concluded that the structure had somehow settled down on its foundations, and was now actually wider than it had once been!).

  The question raises itself once more:

  Who was actually the maddest - these guys for teaching such wierd and wonderful psuedo science, or us for believing it?

  Bill.
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  Seven Reasons Why Jehovah's Witnesses Are Leaving Their Religion.

  by Hairyhegoat in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  these are good comments to consider enjoy!.

  jehovah's witnesses who leave their religion, do so for many different reasons.

  here are seven.. watchtower prophecies and dates for armageddon have failed repeatedly.

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  I came into "The Truth" because to me, all religion seemed to be just a lot of hocus-pocus (to put it in polite language!):

  - However, the JWs appealed, because they appeared to be different; at least as compared with the mainstream churches.

  28 years down the track, the penny finally dropped that the JWs were just another religion - and that these are all the bloody same, no matter who they are!

  The disappointment was all the more intense in that I had actually expected far more from the Witlesses - having once swallowed their propaganda totally.

  And yes, I did hit the bottle rather hard for a time after leaving; until discovering other, non-harmful ways of coping with the distress (not that alcohol abuse is restricted to non-JWs; far from it!).

  I am well aware of the official WTs line, that all who give "The Truth" away do so only so they can get drunk, do drugs, womanize etc. etc. etc. Like so much else of the official WTs line, that, too, is total nonsense (Expletive Deleted!).

  Bill.